Visual Studio 2013 preview released

[naraku9333]

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/2013-downloads

Ran across this tonight and installed it, looks like it is more C++11 compliant but I haven't had the chance to play with it yet. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2013/06/27/what-s-new-for-visual-c-developers-in-vs2013-preview.aspx

Anyone try it yet?

Edit: Update 3 for VS2012 was also released but does not seem to add any C++11 features. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2835600

[Catfish4]

Hey look, initializer lists! Long overdue, yet God forbid they just add them to VS2012 instead.

And how silly is it of them to prepare a new IDE less than a full year after the previous one? Then again, maybe VS2013 has some merits I can't see. [/sarcasm]

[o1vk4iN6]

If I recall correctly the lead programmer on the visual studio team stated that some C++11 features were too difficult to implement (I believe it was variadic templates). I don't except them to have C++11 support for a long time, even though it seems they are already adding C++14 features.

[naraku9333]

Catfish4 wrote:

And how silly is it of them to prepare a new IDE less than a full year after the previous one?

It's the same release cycle used since VS2008. I expect the final release to be VS2014.

xerzi wrote:

If I recall correctly the lead programmer on the visual studio team stated that some C++11 features were too difficult to implement (I believe it was variadic templates).

I don't think it's that it was too difficult, but rather too difficult to accomplish within the release timeline.

[Catfish4]

It's the same release cycle used since VS2008. I expect the final release to be VS2014.

If that's so I'm willing to take back what I said; especially if we'll have the C++14 standard on time.

[Oria]

naraku9333 wrote:

It's the same release cycle used since VS2008. I expect the final release to be VS2014.

From what I've read, I don't believe it is so; VS 2013 is meant to be VS 2013 and yes it looks like they are doing them every year now instead of every two years.

Edit:

I’m thrilled to share that our next major release, Visual Studio 2013, will be available later this year

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/03/teched-2013.aspx

[o1vk4iN6]

I don't think it's that it was too difficult, but rather too difficult to accomplish within the release timeline.

When he gave that statement GCC and Clang already had that feature for 3-4 years. Time can't really be said to be a factor when two other compilers both became feature complete around the same time, except for visual studio.

[cire]

When he gave that statement GCC and Clang already had that feature for 3-4 years.

So different developers working from different code bases have different priorities. Who knew?

[o1vk4iN6]

Yah visual studio's developers really need to get their focus together.