To say to them that they aren't good enough and should not try, is rude.
So being realistic is now rude? We should say 'of course you can' when it is patently obvious that someone has not got the experience to actual be able to do it rather than suggesting that they set their sights a little bit lower. I think it would be rude to blowing smoke up their ass and suggest that they have a hope of doing it.
You haters don't even know them and you think this is okay?
The haters realists don't know them ... but they do know the subject. So yes, I do think it is okay.
I think if they had people to sit down and guide them while they did it, it would be much more productive.
Otherwise, comparing them to geniuses with IQs well over 160 isn't going to get you anywhere. I programmed at 12, sure, but I couldn't comprehend certain things and I had to compensate by assuming that certain things were just magic. EDIT: In other words, a deep understanding of what you're doing is somewhat required in C/++ and lower level languages in general. In UnrealScript for instance, you don't need to have such a deep understanding, you just need to know this has this result and worry little about side effects.
You see and that is all they ask for. They could try this and if they hit road blocks then they have the c++ community to turn to for help.
I once read about a 14 year old girl who discovered a new antibiotic. Her parents were not at all realistic, but instead bought her expensive science equipment and gave her encouragement.
Then look what happened as result. Kids can do things too as long as the world lets them be up in the clouds and not force realism upon them.
Then they are going to be turning to the community a lot because they don't have any of the prerequisites for making AV.
Let's assume that some how they managed to pull it off after asking 7000 questions and 7 years make a bare AV program(which is extremely unlikely). They still won't be able to sell it as it won't cover many viruses, won't be constantly updated. They could have spent all that time learning more from more productive suitable ways.
Honestly if you're all 12 then just try making games. Games can still be quite challenging to make, and will test your knowledge of many aspects of C++. Getting a game out there is a hell of a lot easier than selling new AV software assuming you don't think you're publishing it for XBox-360 or something of the sort. Last but not least, making a game is far more enjoyable for almost any person.
I would start by writing proof of concept malware and try getting that past the major free AV software (they may even be able to get reward money). They are at least going to need some sterile viruses to work with when they do start their own AV software.
That's an over simplified (but I guess not technically incorrect) explanation of how an AV program works. Consider for a moment that those patterns change every time a program gets recompiled, GCC and MingW do this on purpose. AV programs don't look for symbols at fixed locations like this program does, they look for patterns and offsets. They're also able to identify jump commands and external links since a common strategy of virus programmers is to have pieces of the program in multiple files so that simplistic scans like this one don't find them. I don't think I have to point out that this sample doesn't show you how proactive protection works, and preventing an infection is far more useful then removing one.
Never argue with an idiot. I'll just bring you down to my level and then beat you with experience.
Yeah, never argue with an idiot, just report them. After enough reports their experience will get them banned.
I spoke with a friend of mine, professor google.com. He recommended this link.
This is the same professor that blindly recommends child pornography to pedophiles. Can't take everything he recommends at face value.
Makes me wonder how old Manga is, as so far the only ones that are having issues with us being honest and realistic are more kids. I've been programming for 17 years, I may not have confidence in my abilities, but I do know what is required to do some tasks; and doing an AV for 12 year olds who have school and other obligations, would take years to even crank out a prototype of it. Decades to crank out one that is even a fraction as good as the free commercial one on the market.
I am seeing a lot of AV bypass talks, and just to clarify there is no function which sprinkles magical dust over a Malware to become invisible to AV but it is a list of DO's and DONT's for example using common functions is not very good method when trying to bypass AV, for example there are several methods to inject a DLL (Dynamic Link Library) into a foreign process memory space, the most used and common method is using CreateRemoteThread but there is a better way use uncommon methods such as using QueueUserAPC , these methods tend to be less appealing to the AV therefore a successful AV bypass occurs.
Next trick is to use minimal amount of disturbance in order to perform a action. Creating too much disturbance will only gain unwanted attention towards process.
Abusing other processes design is a great way to fulfill a command whilst remaining normal in the "crowd".
AV bypass methods tend to use unique methods to perform a action rather than use common and well-known functions.
I did work on disabling AV solutions and it is really simple, it does not need heavy code, any good RE (Reverse Engineer) would understand my point.
Now days the proactive defenses should be key and should be treated as main protection all the other misc features are just like fail-safe if everything is lost.
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