Having read the first two pages and a little bit of the third (you guys have long posts), I have come up with a statement:
In every theory (including religion) there will always be the question: "But how did that come into being?" and that question can be repeated ad infinitum. Therefore, all theories are equally incorrect and correct at the same time.
Does anyone disagree?
Also, on a personal note: I am Christian and I do believe God created the universe. However, I do not go around telling people they are going to hell or that if they do not live like the bible says that they are wrong. And thus I do not believe it fair for everyone to state as such.
We live in a tolerant culture. People can say what they want, but it doesn't make it true. People have to decide for themselves what they think is true. But the fact is, only one thing can be true, and I believe that it is the Bible creation account.
In physics you can approximate the escape velocity a planet or large body -- that is, the velocity an object needs to be going in order to escape the gravitational influence of said body. I was hoping that if I plugged in the (estimated) mass and radius of the Universe that it would give me something close to or greater than the speed of light. The escape velocity of Black holes is > the speed of light. So yeah.
But then there are like 20 different approximations for the Universes radius and mass. So there would be no way for that to make any sense.
These hardcore creationist posts really make my complaints about the poor qualify of C++ education or the lack of software engineering in american curricula seem insignificant. This is far more terrifying.
I often wonder, are creationists serious about their beliefs? I mean... really. Believing in the Big Bang is one thing. It's a complex theory, plenty mathematical assumptions, there's the possibility it might be wrong. Evolution though.... aside from being constantly misunderstood, is a natural state of affairs. It's selective breeding on a grand scale with the environment as the driving force. Random mutations occur, occasional they improve the chance of reproduction in the environment, statistics take over from there and they propagate. Not believing in that shows either lack of knowledge or inability to understand the core concepts.