That quotes stupid, since banning carrying knives in london stabbings have fallen in number by the same logic if there not as many loaded .45s sitting at tables less people would get shot by them still.
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety
That's for you devon. I believe it was you, or someone else, who used this quote on this forum in a debate about the NSA. I don't see why it also can't be applied here.
How is carrying weapons in public "essential liberty", or not being stabbed "temporary safety"?
Besides that, it's legal to carry knives in England, provided that
1. You are on private property and have the permission of the property owner (or you are the property owner)
or
2. You have a good reason to be carrying it (your job, re-enacting, etc.) that doesn't involve using it to harm people (even in self-defence, although if you have a knife for a legal reason but end up using it in self-defence, it's still legal)
or
3. It's a fixed or retracting blade no longer than 2.5"
and
4. It isn't a banned type of knife (butterfly, switch-blade and "gravity" knives and maybe some others are always illegal, and certain types of martial arts weapons are illegal without )
and
5. No-one could reasonably believe you intend to use it as a weapon (taking any knife into certain places, like a school, bar or football stadium makes it a weapon)
[edit]that's (1 || 2 || 3) && 4 && 5[/edit]
The law is pretty sensible if you ask me. It also doesn't just apply to knives, but any kind of "bladed article" including swords, axes, spears, etc.
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Alright, I know this is going to derail the thread, but I can't help but interject.
First, I should point out that I'm a raging liberal. I dislike obama because he's too conservative.
Now, on the topic of gun control. There is absolutely no reason to equate stricter regulations to 'taking our guns away.' If you're going to be using it in self defense you don't need two full clips and a side arm, and assuming you try to escape peacefully first, you DONT need the bullets in the gun at the start of the confrontation. And if regulation == requiring better background checks before giving someone a gun, then why the hell should you care? If you're going to pass the background check it shouldn't matter to you. It turns gun running cartels aren't a tremendous source of guns for your average criminal. And honestly if it weren't for the NRA lobbying on southern border states to reduce gun regulation, gun running wouldn't be nearly as big an issue.
As for self defense, our culture has an ingrained "cowboy mentality." Chances are, a crook isn't going to be breaking into your locked home to steal your crap unless you've obviously got shit they think is worth risking their life and limb to steal. Or in a really shitty neighborehood, but that's another story.
All that said, conceal and carry licenses are a good thing. Assuming background checks are thorough at least. But, stand your ground laws, you SHOULD have a responsibility to try to escape nonviolently. An eye for an eye and all that crap. They give the defending person incentive to kill their attacker. And believe me when I say that's not a fringe case. I spent some time googling but couldn't find the source again, but I read an article a few months back where they cited cases where stand your ground lead to homicide, compared to number of cases where the perpetrator was caught and convicted, compared to the total number of armed robbery/break and enter reports. It's not a fringe issue. Not nearly a majority, but it's not insignificant either.
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