SourceForge Going Low

[S G H]

Well it's mostly for personal reasons.
I didn't really bother looking for how Git/Github works, that's probably the reason why I don't like it, whereas Google Code looked simpler.

_{I haven't tried either one tho.}

[Albatross]

EssGeEich wrote:

I didn't really bother looking for how Git/Github works, that's probably the reason why I don't like it.

Maybe you should look into how at least git works. One of two things could happen:

1. You'll find that git is awesome and vastly superior to CVS/SVN.
2. You'll still hate git but now you'll have ammunition with which to debate your view with others if you so choose.

-Albatross

[chrisname]

computerquip wrote:

I've started a ton of projects but I've finished almost none of them. However, I'm still proud of those projects as I put hard work into them and they're exactly what I wanted when I made them. It shows that I can accomplish the goals I wanted in the short term but struggle with the long-term (no perseverance) which I have to work on (and shows in my reality as well).

I'm exactly the same. I think my "problem" is that I have too many cool ideas and I have to stop what I'm doing and start on the new idea right now. I gave up trying to change that behaviour because it felt like I was trying to change who I am (and also it was too much effort).

On the flipside, I used to be very shy and introverted and such. When I was 16 I set about changing, and although there have been ups and downs, I'm very proud of who I've become so far, and I'm changing more (be it for better or for worse, although I'd say that overall it has been very much for the better) every day. Three years down the line, I'm still the same person I was before: the core facets of my personality are there, just without some of the weaknesses that made me the timid stereotype I used to be.

[LB]

chrisname wrote:

I'm exactly the same. I think my "problem" is that I have too many cool ideas and I have to stop what I'm doing and start on the new idea right now.

I'm exactly the same.

[S6k9GNh0]

@ Albaltross, eh... the only difference is one is unnatural/illogical (or the extreme) compared to the other. To say it's a problem goes into the grey area when evaluating because it's difficult to determine if it's actually unintentional fear of something (as with most psychological fears). Still, I would highly suggest the TED talks, situations like this aren't uncommon.
Trying something to try and motivate yourself only to fail can certainly put someone in depression. It may help if you have someone else to help you along the way. That psychologist (whom I still cannot name unfortunately) believed his method worked on everyone, and supposedly, it just about did except for very rare cases. However, it may not be the easiest or safest method (nor do most people have the money or time to spend on a psychologist).

Also, I just said I was introverted... within normal means I might add. Being bipolar might be the bigger problem as it can affect others around me without me being aware of it at a given time (EDIT: and put me in sudden depression without me realizing it for perhaps a week or more).

[BHX]

I was going to come up with something to counter that, but then I found this which says it better than I could:

No one else understands what it feels like to have social anxiety. Social anxiety remains a relatively misunderstood anxiety disorder, so it comes as no surprise that we feel at a loss when it comes to overcoming it. Many therapists lack the required knowledge to diagnose the disorder properly, and very few structured cognitive-behavioral therapy groups exist in the world. With time, hopefully this becomes less of an issue.

Also, fear of rejection? Forcing yourself to do the thing you fear isn't a cure. Glad it worked for him, but doing that could have had quite the opposite effect. The more rejection he received could have solidified his fears. Forcing yourself to do things and having your fears proven wrong just makes the person with the disorder think, well this is a fluke, but will happen next time and start worrying over future occurrences.

A man hates to go to work because a meeting is scheduled the next day. He knows that these meetings always involve co-workers talking with each other about their current projects. Just the thought of speaking in front of co-workers raises his anxiety. Sometimes he can’t sleep the night before because of the anticipatory anxiety that builds up.

Finally, the meeting is over. A big wave of relief spills over him as he begins to relax. But the memory of the meeting is still uppermost in his mind. He is convinced he made a fool of himself and that everyone in the room saw how afraid he was when he spoke and how stupid he acted in their presence. At next week’s meeting, the boss is going to be there. Even though this meeting is seven days away, his stomach turns raw with anxiety and the the fear floods over him again. He knows that in front of the boss he’ll stammer, hesitate, his face will turn red, he won’t remember what to say, and everyone will witness his embarrassment and humiliation.

He has seven miserable days of anxiety ahead of him, to think about it, ruminate over it, worry about it, overexaggerate it in his mind...over and over again.

https://socialanxietyinstitute.org/living-with-social-anxiety

The top 10 list found on that same site: https://socialanxietyinstitute.org/blog/top-10-list-feelings-social-anxiety-causes
I end up with most, if not all, of those 10 and probably more of my feelings are linked to it.

@computerquip
You are a great programmer, but a terrible therapist:P.

[S6k9GNh0]

Well, I did take a psychology class... at a community college... STILL! When I was a kid, I had clear emotional and mental issues that distanced me from other people and kids. When I would talk to my parents about it, they would basically tell me I'm lying or ignore me (which probably created some psychological blocks to be honest...). Anyways, the *temporary* cure for me is was to be very outgoing even when I had a deep feeling that told me not to do that. It would cause... strange behaviors at best but at least I got along with some people and made friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0lr63y4Mw

Ah, and found the correct terminology and a wiki article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy#Anxiety_disorders

[BHX]

Oh, yes, that is what I've been missing. In one day, watching a video, reading a wiki, and looking into TED talks cured me of something that specialists couldn't do in the 11 to 12 years I saw them. I took the psychology class too and taking one class doesn't mean you become qualified to give psychological advice, but it appears everyone that takes it suddenly think they have a PhD and are able to do just that. Stick to programming, because all of your posts have made it clear you don't understand the impact social anxiety disorder has on a person. If you truly understood it you wouldn't have trivialized it or implied that a person can simply overcome it by forcing themselves to do the thing they feared. I guy 'curing' himself of fear of rejection is different than what a person with social anxiety disorder goes through.

All day, every day, life is like this. Fear. Apprehension. Avoidance. Pain. Anxiety about what you said. Fear that you said something wrong. Worry about others' disapproval. Afraid of rejection, of not fitting in. Anxious to enter a conversation, afraid you'll have nothing to talk about. Hiding what's wrong with you deep inside, putting up a defensive wall to protect your "secret". You are undergoing the daily, chronic trouble of living with this mental disorder we call social anxiety disorder.

This is why I keep my disorder hidden, not from fear, but because everyone and their mother suddenly thinks they know how to cure it.

[S6k9GNh0]

Meh. I wasn't trying to help you, just thought it was interesting and shared my part and knowledge as well. Rather, anything past my first reply was hardly directed at you.

[Albatross]

@computerquip
Interesting it may have been but unfortunately it was insensitive toward BHXSpecter and anyone suffering from an anxiety disorder. I'm sorry.

We should probably get back on topic.

-Albatross

[S G H]

This made me reflect about something...
Can I ask someone "Experienced", like BHX?
Of the things you said, I feel everything except Pain.
I'm quite unable to speak, unless it's a burocratical-ish speak.
Lately, it's been getting better, but I still feel a lot like I should not be talking instead.
I feel like every time I speak, I've repeated myself, so I ask if I repeated myself and feel dumb, say "whatever" and break whatever I was saying.
Most of the time I'm silent, I also think about "what should I say if X asks me Y?" and try to "cache" an answer.
This only happens in real-life situations.

Do you think I should get checked?

[Mats]

I'm quite unable to speak, unless it's a burocratical-ish speak.
Lately, it's been getting better, but I still feel a lot like I should not be talking instead.
I feel like every time I speak, I've repeated myself, so I ask if I repeated myself and feel dumb, say "whatever" and break whatever I was saying.
Most of the time I'm silent, I also think about "what should I say if X asks me Y?" and try to "cache" an answer.
This only happens in real-life situations.

How many people in the maths, science and computing career or interest path have I heard say this? Many.

[S6k9GNh0]

@Albatross, to be fair, he did bring it up himself...

[Albatross]

@computerquip
Yes, he brought up the point that he lacked the confidence to maintain a project as an explanation for why Sourceforge's mischief doesn't bother him: because for him it wasn't a personal issue. That did not mean that you or Manga were obligated to reply.

-Albatross

EDIT: I am going to ignore not reply to computerquip's next post. I feel there is so much wrong with it on so many levels but I don't want to get into a flamewar nor derail this thread any further.

[S G H]

@Mats: Okay, that's (somehow) relaxing.

[S6k9GNh0]

It doesn't mean I can't reply nor do I care if it's insensitive to be honest. He can read if he wants. He doesn't have to. You're also not my mother, you have little right to be harassing me (or anyone else) as such.

Manga's post is just fine. BHXSpecter replied with his own issues, which is fine. People responded to him. Then he gets mad because he assumes people are trying to help him. His issues are truly none of my concern while the topic he brought does pick my interest. If he doesn't want help or people to talk about, then don't bring it up and then read every post that's a reply or branch of that post. Nobody is holding him down and forcing his eyes open.

The driver I'm using for my Roccat device uses Sourceforge. I'm not so sure I should attempt to get him to move since his software doesn't have an installer nor does it seem affected by the said negative attributes of Sourceforge. But I suppose I could mirror it myself if I really wanted it on Github or similar.

[Catfish4]

EDIT: I am going to ignore computerquip's next post. I feel there is so much wrong with it on so many levels but I don't want to get into a flamewar nor derail this thread any further.

Is this what passes as "ignoring" these days?

This is like a Jedi mind trick. All you do is imply that many things are wrong with computerquip's post, then have us "find" those things on our own.

Anyway, back on topic: I don't see what's the problem with SourceForge. From what I checked, most programs retain their original setups.

Are (new) developers forced to use the evil setup downloader malware thing? Because if it's all voluntary, one could simply politely say "no" and carry on, right? Regardless, it's always been an issue of trust no matter what setup scheme is being used.

[Mats]

aww come on Albatross, there's nothing wrong with a good ol fashioned flame war, so long as everyone can still be friends afterwards. :)

-Mats (you can't even have a marriage without arguments...)