Dairy Milk Alternatives
I tried almond milk for the first time today. Then I tried cashew milk... then rice milk. They all taste better than dairy milk. Given the health and source issues of dairy milk, why is dairy milk sought after so much? I don't really understand.
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All that I can picture is a PETA march claiming that milking cows is somehow inhumane.
Yeah I can't even imagine a single source issue with how we harvest bovine dairy. We raise cattle for beef anyway -- so as long as we have them around, we might as well milk them.
And yeah, unless you are lactose intolerant, dairy is a pretty solid food. It's known to be a fantastic source of calcium and vitamin B12. If you're worried about it being fatty, get skim milk.
And yeah, unless you are lactose intolerant, dairy is a pretty solid food. It's known to be a fantastic source of calcium and vitamin B12. If you're worried about it being fatty, get skim milk.
read some propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiqBhmeOSH4 (20m53s to 21m42s)
- movement restriction
- pesticides and antibiotics to increase milk production
- death by exhaustion at about 4 years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_cattle#Milk_production_levels 1 year breed cycle
Also, you don't milk high quality meat cows.
> Then I tried cashew milk... then rice milk
I don't understand why would you call those byproducts milk
> why is dairy milk sought after so much?
well, I was bombarded since little that dairy milk was a good source of calcium, proteins and fat.
I haven't tried a substitute for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiqBhmeOSH4 (20m53s to 21m42s)
- movement restriction
- pesticides and antibiotics to increase milk production
- death by exhaustion at about 4 years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_cattle#Milk_production_levels 1 year breed cycle
Also, you don't milk high quality meat cows.
> Then I tried cashew milk... then rice milk
I don't understand why would you call those byproducts milk
> why is dairy milk sought after so much?
well, I was bombarded since little that dairy milk was a good source of calcium, proteins and fat.
I haven't tried a substitute for it
But skim milk tastes horrible. It's like weird tasting water to me. Rice milk tastes better than skim milk in my opinion.
I'm not exactly a fan of manufacturing animals for the sake of our consumption either. I hear all the time some of the horrid environments bred animals like cow and pigs go through. Can't say it's positive. I do eat an occasional burger but I think it should be more towards a delicacy rather than an every day or three times a day kinda thing in certain areas.
As for other concerns: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/
I'm not exactly a fan of manufacturing animals for the sake of our consumption either. I hear all the time some of the horrid environments bred animals like cow and pigs go through. Can't say it's positive. I do eat an occasional burger but I think it should be more towards a delicacy rather than an every day or three times a day kinda thing in certain areas.
As for other concerns: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/
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| read some propaganda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiqBhmeOSH4 (20m53s to 21m42s) |
Propaganda is right. They're cherry picking the worst of the worst and pitching it like it's that way everywhere.
If you're concerned about these kind of moral issues -- buy free range/organic. Unless you're feeding a family, the price difference is negligible.
(PS: you can link to specific time points in youtube videos. IE: http://youtu.be/LiqBhmeOSH4?t=20m53s -- just click the "share" button below the video and it'll give you a link with an option to specify a start time)
| Also, you don't milk high quality meat cows. |
It doesn't really matter. The meat from dairy cows certainly doesn't go to waste.
My main point was that our primary reason for raising cattle was for meat, not for dairy.
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| But skim milk tastes horrible. It's like weird tasting water to me |
I actually get skim milk because it tastes the least like milk. Whole milk tastes fatty, slimy, and gross to me.
About the only thing I use milk for is putting it in scrambled eggs for fluffiness and putting it in cereal (where you can't really taste it anyway).
But I do use all sorts of other dairy products. I put butter on like everything, and I load up tacos with sour cream. And you can't have a pizza without cheese.
| I'm not exactly a fan of manufacturing animals for the sake of our consumption either. |
Well you have a few options:
a) Go vegan
b) Hunt your own food
c) Run your own farm
or d) Bite the bullet and accept that we need to feed hundreds of millions of people in this country alone, and therefore farming livestock is an absolute necessity.
The needs for livestock grows with human population -- and human population is unchecked and out of control. If you really want to help the situation, then don't have kids. There are too many of them, and we (as a species) do not need any more for a while.
| As for other concerns: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/ |
I skimmed. The main takeaway from the article is that calcium is very important, but you don't need as much of it as milk ads would have you believe.
I could have told you that. =P Of course milk ads are going to trump up the importance of milk -- that's what ads do.
The bottom line is that your body does actually need to intake calcium. The article certainly acknowledges this, and even mentions a lot of health problems related to calcium deficiency.
Of course... none of this means you need to drink milk. Milk is just one possible source of calcium... but it certainly is not the only one.
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| skim milk tastes horrible. It's like weird tasting water |
I would say that it tastes like something that rhymes with spit.
About the horrible environments of meat-stock animals...look at who's funding the videos. PETA is not going to deliver the full unbiased truth of the industry as a whole. I am a voracious carnivore myself, so I can't really be unbiased either.
> Propaganda is right. They're cherry picking the worst of the worst and pitching it like it's that way everywhere.
Indeed, it was just to help your imagination.
Still:
they live only a 25% of what would normally do, and quite a lot of that time they are pregnant. (that increased in production is amazing.)
Read the wikipedia page for the use of hormones and pesticides.
And free range is a "thing"
There is also the issue with the calf.
> My main point was that our primary reason for raising cattle was for meat, not for dairy.
Sure, in ancient times.
Now you have breeds designed for milk production, whose meat is considered awful.
> PETA is not going to deliver the full unbiased truth of the industry as a whole.
It is hard to remove bias, so don't use a single source.
Don't just dismiss because of it clearly obvious political intent, use it as a starting point to know what to research (I don't care enough to do it)
> (PS: you can link to specific time points in youtube videos. IE: http://youtu.be/LiqBhmeOSH4?t=20m53s -- just click the "share" button below the video and it'll give you a link with an option to specify a start time)
I don't use youtube for seeing youtube videos (ads, restrictions, flash)
Also, you are giving an example so you have to use e.g.
Indeed, it was just to help your imagination.
Still:
| http://aipl.arsusda.gov/kc/cowfacts.html - Dairying has improved through the years. Today, one cow can produce the milk that it once took 10 cows to produce. - Cows are milked for an average of 3-4 years - The average cow is 2 years old when she has her first calf. |
Read the wikipedia page for the use of hormones and pesticides.
And free range is a "thing"
There is also the issue with the calf.
> My main point was that our primary reason for raising cattle was for meat, not for dairy.
Sure, in ancient times.
Now you have breeds designed for milk production, whose meat is considered awful.
> PETA is not going to deliver the full unbiased truth of the industry as a whole.
It is hard to remove bias, so don't use a single source.
Don't just dismiss because of it clearly obvious political intent, use it as a starting point to know what to research (I don't care enough to do it)
> (PS: you can link to specific time points in youtube videos. IE: http://youtu.be/LiqBhmeOSH4?t=20m53s -- just click the "share" button below the video and it'll give you a link with an option to specify a start time)
I don't use youtube for seeing youtube videos (ads, restrictions, flash)
Also, you are giving an example so you have to use e.g.
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| I don't use youtube for seeing youtube videos (ads, restrictions, flash) |
If you want to stop supporting people who make YouTube videos for a living, get an adblocker.
I can see the video the way I want since a long time ago.
I just don't go to their page.
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I just don't go to their page.
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