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i think i did a fine job of programing those voting machines, what do you think

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cant show you all the code for national security but you can check them running for yourselves,
i put their ip addresses online and you can see them in action the username is i <3 mitt and the password is obam is a faery


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int obama;
int romney;
cin >> vote;


if (vote==obama)
return romney;
if (vote==romney)
return romney;


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No wonder you got banned from dream.in.code
Yes that what happened. Someone changed the code in voting machines to give Obama votes to Romney and just hoped no one would notice. Typical news stations extremely purporting minor flukes. I wouldn't even doubt it if the video was a fake submitted by some die hard socialist liberal democrat.
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Please stop using the word "liberal" as a pejorative. And tell all the other conservatives to do the same. The word you're looking for is "sensationalist".
Yes please. This website is visited by people from all around the world; many of them use "liberal" in its actual meaning, rather than short-hand to mean "someone who shares views commonly found in the right-wing US political party known as the Democrats, rather than the far right party known as the Republicans". :)
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I had to do a double take because I thought ModShop responded and not Moschops.
socialism isnt a bad word, wealth comes from the poor digging up minerals or farming, thats why the rich pay higher tax, most western countries are socialist, social politics is great, the alternative is antisocial politics.

americans should drop their cold war propaganda, you can go too far right as well as too far left dont forget, just look at hitler, (dont be confused by him calling his party socialist, he had all the socialists killed before they even invaded poland, socialist was just a word then, like freedom and democracy now)
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Once socialism intrudes on capitalism and the free-market is when its troubling. However, we are nowhere near that point now.

Can any of us say we are truly independent, anyway?
I would hardly call Democrats "right wing"...

@devonrevenge: So I'm too far right for pointing out the ridiculousness of people taking a glitch in one voting machine as a sign of some corrupt bargain going on? Based on other posts you've made, and your general lack of caring about spelling/conventions even though the forum as a whole requests it, you are simply way left or are just prodding me to get me irritated.

EDIT: Cold War propaganda? We were anti socialist for a reason: it doesn't work. Just because the Soviet Union is gone doesn't mean that socialism all of the sudden works. Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge that there is a definite need for many social programs, but the level to which Obama takes t, and how he goes about doing that, I strongly disagree with.
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ModShop wrote:
but the level to which Obama takes t, and how he goes about doing that, I strongly disagree with.
Are you referring to "Obama-care"? And if so, may I ask what about it you don't agree with?
Soviet Union socialist? I think you are confusing socialism with communism. there is a stark difference.
Cheraphy wrote:
Soviet Union socialist? I think you are confusing socialism with communism. there is a stark difference.
and this is why talking politics is fraught with problems, everyone has a different take of what is what and there are less clear boundaries between thing.

If your are talking about the Soviet Union (aka: USSR, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) then I would probably guess that the answer to 'Soviet Union socialist?' would be yes. Communist? yes, as it is a revolutionary socialist movement. More than one label can be put on things to describe it.

What I do hate hearing is the, as chrisname pointed out, pejorative use of these labels.
I would hardly call Democrats "right wing"...


Are you a US citizen? In the majority of the rest of the world, the US Democrat party is right wing. In the US it's hard to tell, because most people never get exposed to left wing politics.

Are you referring to "Obama-care"? And if so, may I ask what about it you don't agree with?


Ooo, ooo. I know this one. What's wrong with it is that it's a cop out. In the US, the medical insurance companies have one job; keeping as much money as they can. They are bizarrely exempt from laws forbidding cartels, and frequently act as bullies to control hospitals and medical providers in a way that enables them to keep as much money as they can (contrast with other nations where the people holding the money for medical provision have the job of spending all of it on as much medical service for the most people that they can).

In some hospitals, as many as one-third of non-medical staff are engaged in fighting insurance companies to hand over the money. The whole medical insurance industry is a travesty; it's not corrupt, it's just self-evidently the wrong business model. These companies have the job of keeping as much money as they can to pay themselves and their shareholders. It's no surprise that the medical system is a travesty. The Obama administration had the chance to do something about it... and didn't.

That's what's wrong with it :)
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am left yes, not wayyy left, i think working classes get a bad deal, and are manipulated and demonize when they cooperate or unionise.

with the glitch thing iwas prodding the amusing amusing republican sleaze stereo type, you know, bush style cronyism


EDIT: Cold War propaganda? We were anti socialist for a reason: it doesn't work



socialism does work really well, and britain would be better off if we were MORE socialist, i.e we trained a workforce, we encourage small buisnesses to succeed, we dont make people desperate for work have to accept lower and lower wages, people dont starve poor people dont have to die of cancer, yet we still have a bit of free market, and would have more strangley if we hadnt privatised so much.

USSR, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics


theres been some pretty awful dictators calling themselves democracies and some evil countries that were republics, but we dont say democracy doesnt work...for some reason.

you'l find the nazis called themselves socialist too, they werent.
the soviets called themselves socialist and communist, they werent either of these things either they were both totalitarian, the state and the police completely in power, and america is turning into something totalitarian, its creeping right everyday.


I would hardly call Democrats "right wing"...


i think the rest of the world does, thats why i say america is creeping too far to the right, theyre so afraid of the left that the republicans wanted to demonize them simply because theyre opposition and thats a political tactic (its actually an un-democratic tactic by the greek definition of the word) and by demonizing them they have said they are left wing, terrifying the americans into a frenzy "left wing is anti american" and scared americans think
"socialism is communism, communism is totalitarianism" and then they think "obama is a muslim terrorist" because the poor american brains have been fried by fifty years of propaganda.


free market capitalism isnt without its slaves and casualties either, just you dont get to see how it works in your own country, heard of bo pahl disaster? then the little kids who make your shoes it would be better for the smaller buisnesses in the usa if the werent made elsewhere, then check out the wars for oil or in afganistans case, getting the piplines we didnt want the soviets to get (thas why we gave the taliban stingers) theres also a great book called tales of an economic hitman, its about how the cia would manipulate leaders of banana republics for resources and contracts, even if it meant the cruel oppression of the masses.

we should all follow devonrevengism is what im saying








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Totalitarianism: political system
Socialism: economic system
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the 'isms are the ingredients for the complete pie not just one or the other but a blend of different things.


As for left and right wing again they have different meaning depending on context. In two party politics they often mean just that left is one party and right is the other; as apposed to the left, right, and center associated with socialism, conservatism, and liberalism respectively.
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Ooo, ooo. I know this one. What's wrong with it is that it's a cop out. In the US, the medical insurance companies have one job; keeping as much money as they can. They are bizarrely exempt from laws forbidding cartels, and frequently act as bullies to control hospitals and medical providers in a way that enables them to keep as much money as they can (contrast with other nations where the people holding the money for medical provision have the job of spending all of it on as much medical service for the most people that they can).

In some hospitals, as many as one-third of non-medical staff are engaged in fighting insurance companies to hand over the money. The whole medical insurance industry is a travesty; it's not corrupt, it's just self-evidently the wrong business model. These companies have the job of keeping as much money as they can to pay themselves and their shareholders. It's no surprise that the medical system is a travesty. The Obama administration had the chance to do something about it... and didn't.



I would like to respectfully disagree with this statement. First I would just like to give a little background on what I do for a living. I work at one of the largest independant insurance brokers in the midwest, we deal with 40+ insurance companies and deal alot with healthcare policies these days. Now when you say that insurance companies only concentrate on making money for themselves and thier shareholders is true, but not in the way your thinking.

Most people think that insurance companies make billions of dollars and huge percentages off the premiums that they charge thier customers. The truth is though that they usually break even on premiums and claims. They rarely make any substansial money from premiums.

Now your probably saying how the heck do they stay in business when they basically break even? Well where they make most of their money is on investments. They use the capital they gain from all thier customers pooled together and invest in stuff. This is why they can make so much money as you say.

So they dont make thier money from ripping people off on thier premiums like alot of people think. Each insurance companies premium rate is based off how many claims and total claim amount they had the year before.

Personally I'm not a big fan of politics and I generally vote for a canidate that I believe in and not along party lines (Voted Obama in 2008, and Romney in 2012). The only reason I voted for romney is because I disagree with obama-care. Now before I say anything on obama care I would like to say I agree with some parts of the bill and dont think all of it is a bad idea. But unfornately alot of it is going to hurt the the people who get healthcare instead of help them. Im not talking about companies losing money, I'm talking about consumers losing money.

Right now since since the bill has been passed we have seen about a 30% average increase in healthcare premiums. This is because when companies take more claims, losses, and more hits to thier bottom line they pass it off onto the consumer which is standard business practice.

I could go on and on but I think everyone probably stopped reading my post 20 minutes ago lol :P so I will end here. Just please dont think about insurance companies as the devil, because they do make money like every business but most of the companies do play fair (their are a few that dont like in every field).
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Just please dont think about insurance companies as the devil


They play the system as they can. The system forces the situation where every penny not spent on healthcare from the pot is a penny for the profits pot. That is the problem. It's a fundamental inconsistency that will never, ever go away as long as that is the system in use.

They use the capital they gain from all thier customers pooled together and invest in stuff.

Money that came from the customers, with the intention from them that it be spent on healthcare rather than on the investment markets. Same as above. As long as every penny not spent on healthcare is a penny in the profits pot, it will be in the interests of the insurers to deny claims and jack up prices. This is inescapable. It doesn't make the insurers evil. It's just a stupid, ridiculous way to run things.



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Now I agree that some insurance companies if you are trying to deal with them by yourself can how should I say this "Play games?" with you about approving your claim. But im not sure what you exactly mean when you say they expect their money to be put towards healthcare? And spent on healthcare? edit: "Never mind reread your post and I get it now".

Customers get a choice of what type of healthcare plan they would like (usually thier are acouple companies to choose from, and different plans to choose from if you are getting healthcare through your employer) and they pay the premiums so they can get them benifits.

Obviously certain things will be denied on plans with lower premiums because if they were not denied the insurance company would lose money and eventually go out of business. It basically comes down to you get the coverage you can pay for. If you want low deductables you will have to pay a higher premium, higher coverage limits = again a higher premium, ect. otherwise all insurance companies would go out of business because they are paying out more then they take in.

And again most insurance companies are good with approving claims, and considering claims dont usually apply to healthcare (Claims are more for homeowners, auto, business insurance). With healthcare its usually you get this amount of money to spend on doctors, dentists, ect. and special limits on major health problems.

Now if you are trying to get money from workers comp or something then yes, there would be a claim involved.
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you guys discuss politics soo coherently (relative to news and political forums)
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you guys discuss politics soo coherently (relative to news and political forums)


It's easier for us; we don't need to appeal to large chunks of people who prefer to just shout slogans and focus on trivialisations of single issues. :)
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