Paper Guns

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devonrevenge wrote:
Why do they think the UN is after their guns?


Probably has something to do with the fact that they are. That's what disarmament means for the average citizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament

If I can't buy a 10-round magazine for my .7mm08 (in all practicality) that's the same as the UN walking into my house and taking the magazine right out of my safe. In both cases I don't get to have it.
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And if you cant get ammo then the king of england can come along and push you around.

Its funny isn't it people think that so long as they have guns they are free even though your already eating glucose fructose syrup (not officially food)

the UN are not out to disarm you :P
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devonrevenge wrote:
And if you cant get ammo then the king of england can come along and push you around.


Magazine != Ammo

devonrevenge wrote:
Its funny isn't it people think that so long as they have guns they are free even though your already eating glucose fructose syrup (not officially food)


I really fail to see the connection there, sorry?

On the topic of food anyway, my family is one of the few across the nation that grow / raise a majority of our food. I really do feel bad about the general food situation though...

devonrevenge wrote:
the UN are not out to disarm you :P


How can you really believe that when there are laws passing RIGHT NOW that are further disarming the law abiding citizens of the US?
don't worry about the connection between freedoms disappearing and one day having no choice but to consume poison or horse marketed at beef or whatever.

The UN isn't disarming americans, laws are being passed to try and curb the amount of nutters that own guns, i dont think it goes all the way to the iluminati trying to create a one world government by starting with taking every ones guns, theres no connection between UN disarmament and USA trying to get gun control together.

And the UN dont drive around in UN vans and confiscate guns, neither do they put pressure on the us to do so.

They cant even tell israel not to make settlements in nearby recognized observer states without their permission.

magazine == ammo

its not like your only allowed flintlock pistols
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28firearms%29

!=

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammunition


I really think you're trying to troll me here.

and it's WORKING!
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sry but I mean why is 5 bullet magazine no good? your defending your home a two shot flintlock would be sufficient.

It's not about defending ones home...I really hate how the #1 argument seems to be "SELF DEFENSE!!"

It's about retaining rights. If the government wanted to come into my house and confiscate a bag of skittles on my counter, I'd be against it all the same as if it were a firearm.

^ Absurd case, but I hope you see the point.
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YOU CANT GO ROUND SAYING YOU GOT SKITTLES IN YOUR HOME ON THE NET THE GOVERMINT LISTENS TO EVERYTHING

:D



I understand completely,Microsoft semi bricked my xbox remotley :(

recently I tried to play minecraft but microsoft said that I had to remember my password only I cant recover it cos my email is .co.uk and I saved it as .com, now this means that seeing i forgot everything i cant get my password back...ever!
@Luc Leiber, it becomes apparent that you have no clue what law is. You see, your right to be able to freely stockpile weaponry happens to clash with the right of the rest of the population to know that armed paranoid people aren't running around among them. Luckily government exists to solve that kind of dispute - I wonder on whose side they should go?

I wonder how you feel about explosives, drugs, child pornography? Are those also like skittles? I would much rather loose a right to skittles, than have an armed neighbor who doesn't get these things.
@hamsterman just to clear up some things:

explosives:
It depends. I have around 50 lbs of both gunpowder and black powder that I use for reloading. Do you feel that uncomfortable that I have this stuff locked up in my safe?

drugs:
child pornography:

Capital punishment for dealers of such items and lengthy prison sentences for those in possession. There is a world of difference between these issues and firearms. My firearms and "explosives" as you so casually lump them into a category will never be used in a harmful way against people. Drugs and child pornography DO harm people, yet those issues are on the back-burner for some odd reason. Do you have any idea how many more people die from drug abuse than from firearms? Aren't you more worried about your children being coaxed into trying drugs on the streets than being the exceedingly rare victim of firearms violence?

I really feel that you're accusing me of being a paranoid arms fanatic. I'm just an average person that lives in an isolated, respectable rural community that hasn't seen any kind of violence for as long as I can remember. Why should we have to change our ways (which have worked flawlessly for over 100 years) because of issues that we are in no way involved in? Arms control should fall to the lowest possible government -- be it state or local.

I get very worked up when changes are forced upon me, so please forgive my emotionally charged responses. I really wish that my little slice of heaven would stay the very same for my children as it was for me and my ancestors.

One more little thing to inject...

armed paranoid people


Lock up the mentally unstable "paranoid" people, leave the arms for the rest of us. What's to stop a nutcase from going on a knifing spree if they can't get a gun to go on a shooting spree? Should knives be banned too?
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@Luc Lieber, I lumped all of those together because they all do harm at some point - guns, explosives and drugs when used, child pornography when made.

Do you have any idea how many more people die from drug abuse than from firearms?
No, I don't. It's hard to look at statistics for this, because "deaths from drug overdose" seems to include accidental overdoses of legitimate drugs. Still, it seems pretty close to "deaths from gun violence", but I'll leave it to you to find a statistic you trust. Sure, drug use affects a lot more people people than that, but it still boggles me that you'd kill dealers of one, but have nothing against dealers of the other.
They banned knives over here, and the rate of stabbings did go down, less deadly fights occured, less accidents but i always wondered are they gonna start banning bricks?
The way of life hasn't been ticking over flawlessly, theres been plenty of horrible incidents.
and unfortunatley you dont have private healthcare so most nutters are going to be wondering around un-diagnosed, possibly even being sold guns.
As for drugs some deaths on some drugs are much less likely than being randomly picked off in thee street;



mdma is a class A drug and no anti drugs site can
make it seem dangerous enough (ie; you may get hepatitis from sharing snorting equipment, ecstacy pills that have mdma in it can have poisons is, you may not drink enough water (this death has killed 5 in ten years))

and a government adviser lost his job for saying jungle gyms and horse riding were massively more dangerous, my point point is the government is completely bias when it comes to controlling things and hasn't got round to controlling guns yet.

Imagine there was a drugs lobby as powerful as a guns lobby

@luc lieber, I Think you are very lucky to be able to enjoy plinking and hunting its a really fun passtime, the technology and science behind them is fascinating and it must be really exciting to get to enjoy the sport, I would hate for the thing you love to be taken away i totaly understand imagine how lebron would feel if they were talking about basketball control.

It is a shame that nutters do get guns and maybe if they can stop that from happening and crime/shooting sprees do stop then maybe your guns will be safe from more political debate
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@Luc Leiber. This argument for not changing your ways:
I'm just an average person that lives in an isolated, respectable rural community that hasn't seen any kind of violence for as long as I can remember. Why should we have to change our ways (which have worked flawlessly for over 100 years) because of issues that we are in no way involved in?


Did you really just say "It can't happen here"?

I'm not superstitious generally, but saying that would give me the creeps.
@devonrevenge
Knives aren't banned. You can carry most kinds of knife if you have a good reason, and you can carry a folding or fixed knife up to 2.5 inches blade length for any reason whatsoever. The exception is if you're intending to use it to hurt someone, or if someone could reasonably believe that was your intent, so you can't take knives into schools or football stadiums, for example. There are some kinds of knife that are banned altogether, like switchblades, flick knives and knives disguised as other objects, but you can walk around with a claymore sword with reasonable justification.
This thread is why we can't have good things. Harmless paper gun video turns into a gun control debate.
I wonder what debates we will have about what they can and cant take away in the future? Way things are going in the world debates will be banned before guns stop being sold
Yea, this really is getting off topic. Its a shame only a few posts are actually on topic...

I don't think I'm going to bring things up even remotely close to any social issues anymore... :|
I personally enjoy a good debate. It forces you to evaluate what you believe and why you believe it.
I completely agree; so long as everyone is civil, even if no-one shifts their position, it can be useful. It also makes you better at debating; practice makes perfect.
ahh @freedbill, what you found was deeply interesting, I watched all those videos, I was wondering about full sized howitzers and if there could be a world record for heaviest projectile furthest.


(try talking about guns inbetween massacres)
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