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I pulled the 1/trillion number out of my ass. The rest of the numbers I pulled from actual sources sited. I think 1/trillion is a pretty safe guess.
And in fact... now that I actually look into this number... I was shooting even lower than I thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstellar_habitable_zone
40 billion, similar sized planets, similar distance from a sun... in our galaxy (remember there are hundreds of millions of other galaxies besides just ours)
The only thing I mentioned even remotely similar to evolution is the mention of prehistoric time periods. Though if you want to deny that, that's fine... it was a tangent point. When I mentioned it I said I was ignoring it for purposes of this topic.
The fact of the matter is... there is almost a statistical certainty that life exists somewhere else in the universe. You seem to fail to grasp just how big the universe actually is.
EDIT: and again... none of this is theory*. The size of the universe as is know it is what has been observed. We know it's at least that big, possibly bigger. This is what we can see.
To deny this is to deny reality.
(* I mean the numbers regarding the size of the universe, not the existence of life somewhere out there. Obviously we haven't found that yet)
And in fact... now that I actually look into this number... I was shooting even lower than I thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstellar_habitable_zone
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| based on Kepler space mission data, that there could be as many as 40 billion Earth-sized planets orbiting in the habitable zones of sun-like stars and red dwarf stars within the Milky Way Galaxy. |
40 billion, similar sized planets, similar distance from a sun... in our galaxy (remember there are hundreds of millions of other galaxies besides just ours)
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| Disch, I am suprised you have not learned, that when talking with Christians, you can't make evolutionary based arguments |
The only thing I mentioned even remotely similar to evolution is the mention of prehistoric time periods. Though if you want to deny that, that's fine... it was a tangent point. When I mentioned it I said I was ignoring it for purposes of this topic.
The fact of the matter is... there is almost a statistical certainty that life exists somewhere else in the universe. You seem to fail to grasp just how big the universe actually is.
EDIT: and again... none of this is theory*. The size of the universe as is know it is what has been observed. We know it's at least that big, possibly bigger. This is what we can see.
To deny this is to deny reality.
(* I mean the numbers regarding the size of the universe, not the existence of life somewhere out there. Obviously we haven't found that yet)
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Nathan:
Human brains are also GIGO. What's your point?
| What has intelligence got to do with life? Isn't a computer garbage in, garbage out? Even AI is garbage in, garbage out. |
| 40 billion, similar sized planets, similar distance from a sun... in our galaxy (remember there are hundreds of millions of other galaxies besides just ours) |
According to NASA and ESA, there are *at least* a hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.
Also, with the launch of JWST, we might be able to analyze the atmospheres of some of these nearby planets we have discovered and get a much better idea of if life is possible on them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah6KrqABzmk
Anyway, I don't see the problem Christians should have with life being elsewhere. The bible does not mention life being made elsewhere, but nor does it mention many other things, such as deep sea vent life or DNA being the code life is written in, or there being other galaxies out there. It also does not explicitly forbid life elsewhere.
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How can you even say your brain is GIGO? How can you believe man evolved from chemicals? With all the can'ts in science, i thank God that we haven't killed ourselves.
Even with my inquisitive mind, i still found God true.
I am 100% certain that if science said that our limbs couldn't be cut off, you would believe far more than the laws of physics. What if they said we could disintegrate and reintegrate if we stood under the sun for 10 hours? That would be the only truth for you.
Can't you just try to break away from limits?
Even with my inquisitive mind, i still found God true.
I am 100% certain that if science said that our limbs couldn't be cut off, you would believe far more than the laws of physics. What if they said we could disintegrate and reintegrate if we stood under the sun for 10 hours? That would be the only truth for you.
Can't you just try to break away from limits?
| That would be the only truth for you. |
I've been seeing people present arguments like what you just did, except instead of science it was Christianity. And you reacted just the way you are telling us we would.
What you lack, Mr. Nathan, is the ability to at least attempt to understand things from other perspectives.
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Shoot, and I was trying so hard not to get involved with this. :(
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I see it from the "can not" perspective of science. If you think i never asked who created God, you are supernaturally mistaken. OMG, I just found out Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, the Wright brothers had two brains. Wait, they didn't. They had one just like you. They defined the "can'ts" for you. I am not the kind of person that likes to be told I can't by a human being just like me. Believing in something that tells me what i can't do without any reason other than the logic made by another man vs believing in someone that tells me I can do anything if I just believe in Him? Yup, i choose the latter, less limits.
I am not going to talk about religion versus science with you.
Instead, I am going to point out the irony that you ask of us to stop being ignorant when you are clearly incapable of doing so yourself.
By the way, I tried converting once. I failed. :(
Instead, I am going to point out the irony that you ask of us to stop being ignorant when you are clearly incapable of doing so yourself.
By the way, I tried converting once. I failed. :(
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The ignorance you talk about is defined by the logic of aristotle, plato etc. The definition of failure is the inability to get back up and try again.
One question, was their brain any more powerful than yours.
One question, was their brain any more powerful than yours.
I read a bible, but I found I only agreed with parts of it, and there were only some sections I "liked". I cannot be a Christian if I only "like" parts of Christianity. The same goes for science. I only like parts of science and agree with just some parts.
What I like is that most in the scientific community don't mind if you question science, because, as someone said before, science is dynamic and changes with new information.
By the way, stop the hate, Nathan. :)
On a side note, can you enable private messaging? I actually have a question to ask you, but I don't want to derail this thread any further.
What I like is that most in the scientific community don't mind if you question science, because, as someone said before, science is dynamic and changes with new information.
By the way, stop the hate, Nathan. :)
On a side note, can you enable private messaging? I actually have a question to ask you, but I don't want to derail this thread any further.
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Sorry it seems hateful.
Did you actually try to understand the motives behind the parts you didn't like.
BTW, PM's enabled.
Did you actually try to understand the motives behind the parts you didn't like.
BTW, PM's enabled.
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I find it hard to believe you can't grasp the concept of all powerful.
Can a human being not die? Christ was human, God is not.
Can a human being not die? Christ was human, God is not.
But... Christ is God...
Brain implodes
Seriously though, I'm now convinced there's either a physical limitation for you to be unable to grasp what circular logic is or that you're caught in it or you're a troll.
Brain implodes
Seriously though, I'm now convinced there's either a physical limitation for you to be unable to grasp what circular logic is or that you're caught in it or you're a troll.
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That logic you talk about, is it not a human that made it? Why can't i find noxzema's logic? Why can i only find noxzema being limited by a logic made by another man?
@Nathan222
Rules:
-Logic cannot be applied
-Science is not a valid argument
-Circular arguments are fine
-Don't talk about fight club
Right?
Rules:
-Logic cannot be applied
-Science is not a valid argument
-Circular arguments are fine
Right?
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Logic is what a man believes to be true.
Science is God's gift to man and shouldn't be limited by logic.
Science is God's gift to man and shouldn't be limited by logic.
Nathan222, its surprising you change your statements again and again...
Therefore, I bring back my original question, why do you worship Christ rather than worshiping God Himself?
Plus, if you say God can die, then he surely must have been born too or created by someone. Therefore, he is not God. There is someone more powerful than him. Think about your statements twice before you answer. I'm starting to really think that you are a troll now or you yourself don't know what you are talking about.
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| I worship Christ because He is God. |
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| Christ was human, God is not. |
Therefore, I bring back my original question, why do you worship Christ rather than worshiping God Himself?
Plus, if you say God can die, then he surely must have been born too or created by someone. Therefore, he is not God. There is someone more powerful than him. Think about your statements twice before you answer. I'm starting to really think that you are a troll now or you yourself don't know what you are talking about.
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Nathan222, you cannot come up with definitions to support your argument. Nobody should have to sit there and explain the basics of logical philosophy too you.
This isn't even an argument. Logic is your ability to make sense of things. Your religion requires you remove that ability. You are caught in circular reasoning that isn't capable of being correct, it's fallacious, meaning it is not correct. There is no argument until you realize that which requires a level of comprehension about that of a middle schooler.
This isn't even an argument. Logic is your ability to make sense of things. Your religion requires you remove that ability. You are caught in circular reasoning that isn't capable of being correct, it's fallacious, meaning it is not correct. There is no argument until you realize that which requires a level of comprehension about that of a middle schooler.
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Stormboy please read. Christ was human before the resurrection. God cannot die.
God = God the father + God the Son + God the Holy Spirit.
The only logic i know is that i can do all things through Christ.
If you people claim to know philosophy, then i believe that it is the 'wrongest' thing i've ever heard of.
God = God the father + God the Son + God the Holy Spirit.
The only logic i know is that i can do all things through Christ.
If you people claim to know philosophy, then i believe that it is the 'wrongest' thing i've ever heard of.
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Humans are from and of earth.
Aliens are not from or of earth.
God created the earth and is not human.
God is alien.
Aliens, according to the gospel of Nathan222, do not exist.
The paradox is complete.
Logic and Religion do not play well together.
Aliens are not from or of earth.
God created the earth and is not human.
God is alien.
Aliens, according to the gospel of Nathan222, do not exist.
The paradox is complete.
Logic and Religion do not play well together.