Internationalization

[helios]

Do you mean this thing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift
It started in the 1350, though.
Interesting, anyway. The old pronunciations match the intuition of a Spanish speaker.
Also interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift#Other_Germanic_languages

[TwilightSpectre]

Yep. I'm not a linguist myself, but apparently most of the changes happened towards the end of that period.

[TheIdeasMan]

@SatsumaBenji

Apparently Italian is a language where words are only spelt 1 way, pronounced 1 way, and only mean 1 thing. Maybe other languages like Spanish are similar?

I was reading an article a long time ago, where they were saying that there could be lots of dyslexic Italians that don't even realise because their language is so straight forward.

I can fully understand how English could be such a pain to learn, mainly because of multiple meanings & exceptions for everything.

Sometimes English seems to be the cause of problems translating to other languages. For example, I am an Engineering Surveyor, I make sure that various things (Buildings, Roads etc)are built the right size and in the right place. Surveyor has several meanings, as in: Telephone Surveys, A Quantity Surveyor (Entirely different to what I do). Also the term Inspector is non-PC these days, so we have Plumbing Surveyors and Electrical Surveyors. So when I asked what the translation of my Job to Italian is, the Tutor (Who had a Masters in Language - Italian, French, English & Spanish), said there was no translation for my Job, and she thought they didn't have anyone who did my Job in Italy!! Engineering Inspector seemed to be the closest thing - which isn't right at all.

Today at work in a site induction, we had a cultural awareness (Australian Aboriginal) lecture. The lecturer was talking about the concept of English as a LAST language learnt (having learnt 3 or 4 others first). Interesting, so often we hear about English as a Second Language.

With the Original theme, Qt has internationalisation functions. I haven't used it, but presumably it translates to whatever language the user has as their locale. Not sure how well it works for the kind of problems mentioned in the video.

Any way the end of my random thoughts ...

[Avilius]

SatsumaBenji wrote:

The thing is with the American and English thing is that even though they're bother "English" and in most cases as long as you've got an audible accent most British English speakers will know perfectly well what an American speaker is talking about (unless it's only something that exists in America) and same the other way round.

It's just so bloody irritating hearing the completely different pronunciations of words (like big changes, not just accent) and completely different words in place, or even the misspelling of words... Someone mentioned that often even spellings can change between small regions/states but I've never seen this in English as long as I've lived (but that's only a measly 18 years).

I don't particularly mind the corruption of the language too much (I think) but it's actually spell check and other such technologies that are constantly telling me that I'm spelling everything wrong (Nobody dare shout at me saying "Use English UK" because that doesn't work, I'm using it now and just typed the word "colour" to test and it's got that little red line under it)...
And it's even worse when I speak to actual people from the US and they're constantly trying to correct a British English speaker on their words, phrases or spellings. That just infuriates me...

Wow, it's like such a different language that you can't communicate with them!

Seriously, I speak to British people and Canadians pretty much every day and we can understand each other just fine. You're over-exaggerating over slight differences. If you written and spoke in U.K. English in the United States no one would really mind. I'm sorry that our country expects you to speak a dialect of a language from our area. If I went out to Portugal and spoke in a Brazilian dialect I'd get laughed at.

It's a slight variation.

And while I'm on that topic, the American patriots that are outraged by people emigrating to the US and say lines such as "Only Americans should be allowed to live in the US"..... Even though the US was founded by British explorers, i.e. emigrants.

It is very few people like this and I feel sorry because they let a nation down... But then again so does the entire nation with other things such as gun crime and everything else! :D

Yep, that's on topic. Not everyone in the United States thinks like that, that's just a stereotype.

Crime in the United States isn't as high as you think. The United States is pretty big, comparable to the size of Europe. Of course more crime happens here, we have more people. Not to mention the conflicts there : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe#21st_century

You seem to have an unhealthy disliking of the United States...

[coder777]

The United States is pretty big, comparable to the size of Europe. Of course more crime happens here, we have more people.

This claim is a bit risky, don't you think so. The EU has over 500 million people and that is just a part of europe. Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union


The USA has 320 million people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa

[TheBeardedQuack]

Avilius wrote:

Crime in the United States isn't as high as you think. The United States is pretty big, comparable to the size of Europe. Of course more crime happens here, we have more people.

Yeah... I know the US is rather big, but it has a much higher gun crime per population ratio than a lot of other places.

Avilius wrote:

You seem to have an unhealthy disliking of the United States...

Well, their are also many things that I like about the US, it levels out quite a bit... And yeah I do still want to visit a couple places in the US so I don't think my opinions can be that bad XD

[LB]

@SatsumaBenji Please try to avoid hot topics (e.g. gun control) please ;p

[Avilius]

coder777 wrote:

This claim is a bit risky, don't you think so. The EU has over 500 million people and that is just a part of europe. Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union


The USA has 320 million people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa

I was referring to US population compared the U.K's population. I didn't mean for anyone to interpret it that way.

So, that's 320 million compared to

(according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.K)

64 million.

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I _want_ to reply on what you said Satsuma, but I don't want to derail this even more than it already is, so I'll pass.

[TheBeardedQuack]

Avilius wrote:

I _want_ to reply on what you said Satsuma, but I don't want to derail this even more than it already is, so I'll pass.

Hmmmm... Wouldn't it be interesting if you could create a "sub-thread" which can't be seen unless it's clicked, and it's basically for things that have been brought up in the topic but would derail it.

EDIT: For anyone that's interested
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Gun related homicides PER 100,000 PEOPLE (which takes account for the different population sizes)
2010 UK - 0.04
2011 US - 2.72 (68 times more)

Granted their are even worse places though so in comparison to them, good job America XD

[giblit]

Considering we have overall more guns that is irrelevant. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
we have 97 guns for ever 100 people while you guys only have 6.2. So that would mean in that 100,000 people we have 97,000 guns and people out there with guns and you have 6,200. Anyways guns don't kill people they are just a tool. People kill people. I myself own several guns.

Also, your anti-USA crap is starting to annoy. First it's how we speak, then it's how our grammar is, then its how we have more guns.

[Avilius]

LB wrote:

@SatsumaBenji Please try to avoid hot topics (e.g. gun control) please ;p

[z05DSL3A]

Anyways guns don't kill people they are just a tool. People kill people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vX4ETlCr4A

:-)

[chrisname]

Grey Wolf wrote:

Anyways guns don't kill people they are just a tool. People kill people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vX4ETlCr4A

(NSFW) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk

[LB]

We have a separate thread now:
http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/lounge/140559/