Someday....

[devonrevenge]

@Zereo: your quote only partly true, a tiny part
http://www.warchild.org.uk/issues/congo-conflict-minerals?gclid=CLDwpe-OibYCFcbKtAodwmIAiw

EDIT: the link also has the evidence

[3qX21hU5]

How is my quote untrue? I was not talking about the Congo or any other third world country I was talking about the US and EU where we live which is where them statistics come from.

But you are right there is kids being forces in labor against there will, but that isn't in the US or the EU (At least not as bad) which is where we were talking about. Really there is nothing you can do to stop that in third world countries unless you launch a ground invasion and try and start a democracy (Which didn't turn out so well the last couple of times we have tried that).

[devonrevenge]

but im talking about the entire global economy, so what yu say is only true in the US not the world so it only covers a small portion of what i mean, when we talk about socialism and capitalism i feel the namespace should cover every nation that is part of the world economy, if it was socialism versus the american system (republic/aristocracy) I then the working class still look like they get a crap deal but the true human cost of our consumerism isn't really a fair view of the whole picture.

Its not the fault of third world countries that these things get so bad, especialy if theres no desire to halp the congo out, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE BAD FOR THE TECH SECTOR AND OUR ECONOMY!! that's what is happening.

If you have heard of a book called 'confessions of an economic hitman' you will find out how the CIA likes to destabilize countries to keep imports down, its a big part of 'protecting american interests' its not a massive conspiracy its the sort of thing that happens in this world, its totaly real and is a very interesting (extremely interesting) field to study.

[3qX21hU5]

if it was socialism versus the american system (republic/aristocracy)

What America are you talking about... I don't think you even know what is going on in America or what it even is...

when we talk about socialism and capitalism i feel the namespace should cover every nation that is part of the world economy

It doesn't work like that, to think that the world will someday consider itself all just friends and have a global government. Different countries have different agenda's. There is almost nothing that other countries like the US or the UK can do really do help the Congo and other 3rd world countries other then send in food, water, and other relief missions.

I mean really what do you expect them to do? Just go up to the Congo's government and say hey stop doing that or else? Most likely that won't stop them and they could care less. The only way to actually put a stop to it would be to start a military war against the country. Then even if they did succeed by giving them a democracy there would still be 50+ other counties that are in poverty.

Its not the fault of third world countries that these things get so bad, especialy if theres no desire to halp the congo out, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE BAD FOR THE TECH SECTOR AND OUR ECONOMY!! that's what is happening.

Yes its sad, and it shouldn't be happening, but like I said before there is no way to stop it other then starting a war and killing even more people. It's all right to want to help them people, but how bout instead of blaming American's for something we aren't doing you can actually look at the Congo's government who IS DOING IT. I really don't understand the argument that its not that countries fault if they turned their country into crap, its some other country because they won't help them.

If you have heard of a book called 'confessions of an economic hitman' you will find out how the CIA likes to destabilize countries to keep imports down, its a big part of 'protecting american interests' its not a massive conspiracy its the sort of thing that happens in this world.

Personally it seems like a conspiracy theory to me. And I have now figured out what you hate America so much, because you read stuff like this ;p

Time to hack your computer and take revenge for America ;p Joking.... Kinda.... Not Really..... Ok Ya I Am......

[devonrevenge]

simple though, dont allow people to buy crap made by slaves, problem solved-ish

nah its real :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

I dont hate america at all, i love americans and their crazy generous portions and alchohol measures, its just that its economic/foriegn policy is an international joke americans don't get to see, it really is a destabilizing force in this world and a lot of americans won't believe that thanks to americas incredible propaganda machine ( :P :P :P )


EDIT: hack away fool, maybe you might find out what library book I took out once, exciting :P (won't sue you if you hack me but I will reserve the right to hack you back one day when i know how, and I it wont be a conventsional kind of hacking i promise :P oh ya and don't get me deprorted please...less its too hawai)

EDIT:

Perkins' function was to convince the political and financial leadership of underdeveloped countries to accept enormous development loans from institutions like the World Bank and USAID. Saddled with debts they could not hope to pay, those countries were forced to acquiesce to political pressure from the United States on a variety of issues. Perkins argues in his book that developing nations were effectively neutralized politically, had their wealth gaps driven wider and economies crippled in the long run. In this capacity Perkins recounts his meetings with some prominent individuals, including Graham Greene and Omar Torrijos. Perkins describes the role of an EHM as follows:

doesnt appear to be the ravings of a foaming conspiracy theorist (foamy conspiracy theorists deserve more cridibility though, its not that odd to wonder why a long stumpy building called wt7 came down symetricaly due to unsymetrical and very local structural damage)

[DeXecipher]

Classism needs to stop, people should stop dividing themselves based upon things such as money, race, or social standing, and ideology. When people do divide themself into one group they box themselves in, and suddenly what you say will be held against you because thats all that people will ever think you are when your name is mentioned.

But to do this humanity would have to evolve out of its contrite ways. A democratic socialism would be ideal (with a free market) as well, so it would be impossible for the cost of things to go up. However, thats not really possible with the free market, because people would end up stockpiling their wealth, like the 1 percent of america right now. Its cool to value art, but I think humans are fairly stupid to value entertainment over necessity. Socialism is not really possible under a non-goverment controlled free market, because peoples values will change. It would take a disastrous event or incentive, to change the overall population like scarcity of natural resources. The base problem stems from money in the first place. Some people value money more than morals and family and it is sad.

[Oria]

Personally it seems like a conspiracy theory to me.

Many are based on truth and many are lies, However, If you pay close attention to details and look at the past 5000 years of our history. I would sooner believe in many of them. History repeats itself and humans are a specie that does conspire, lie, deceive and whatnot. And because a government body denies something, does not mean it never happened.

I heard this too often: "well it would be on the news". when actually the media is paid and told what to put in the news and do people really think the government would allow people to know their real agenda?

[devonrevenge]

I really don't hate america though guys, well americans always manage to be as individual as they are amazing, its just become a symbol of the first world not being what it wants to come across as.