Some states require ID no matter what for cigarette's and liquor. For example, I never get ID'd when getting cigars for father-in-law. Though, I do get carded for liquor because Indiana systems require your DLN and DOB for it.
both me and fred will be able to add better and better things to the conversation in time, fred is young aand will learn at x4 speed and im going to uni soon, in the meantime we try and learn what we can from what you guys talk about but can't contribute in a professional way, gives us times tho' and you can be like "they iz da c++.com home-grown programmers, they the best"
Just because you ask a beginner question like how to declare a variable doesn't mean you are stupid for asking it, it just means you aren't familiar with programming.
Me personally I have absolutely no problem helping people with what seem like obvious problems, as long as they show they are 100% willing to learn and do the work themselves. Everyone will need help at some point in their programming careers and everyone has to start somewhere.
It doesn't matter how old you are either as long as you are willing to put in the effort and dedication programmers will have no problem working with you.
It is just the people that don't want to put in the effort and dedication and just want to reap the rewards that we have problems with. Especially now days where more and more youth want to get into programming to makes games but don't understand how much work they have to do or just don't want to do the work.
That is where script kiddie comes from and why people bash on young programmers I think. We don't have a problem with young programmers in fact I for one think it is a amazing that so many young people want to program, but we do have a problem with people that just want to copy and paste, or have other people do the work for them so they can reap the credit. And generally from my experience these tend to be younger people that do this usually (But not all the time).
So I think the bottom line for me is if you are willing to put in the work and time to learn programming and you are young, great more power to you. But if you want to just slack off and pretend you are some amazing programmer when all you do is copy and paste or use other peoples work then ya obviously I am going to give you a hard time.
Amen, maybe we have a duty to put these "script kiddie" types on track, we want to encourage them rather than berate them.
we need a system for getting them to appreciate the most basic stuff first, and maybe more will choose the path of hard work and more satisfying rewards.
my idea for a system would be to first say,
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if("so you want to make a game from scratch and not some pre-made game making program"|| "you want to be totally in control of your network or fluent in your networking abilities ")
then learn the details.
leave us alone
Script kiddies know more than average computer users(at least how I understand script kiddies). The problem is though that they use their "power" for bad not for good. The only thing they care about is accessing things they aren't supposed to be able to access and get attention.
Script kiddies know more than average computer users
Wrong. FFXI users (the script kiddies on there) only care about using things like AutoIT v3 just to save them the trouble of leveling up stats. They would use AutoIT to summon, de-summon, and re-summon the Summon characters to level up their stats then just go AFK. Installer and a simple google search finds several scripts that work with FFXI. No brains required at all.