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science man wrote:
My main issue with why I dislike hackers is because they create viruses that end up on innocent computer's.
Under that dumb reasoning, I should hate all drivers because some of them do illegal things that put lives in danger.

If all they did was "steal" via file sharing (programs) and maybe pulled pranks on their friends computers which were easily fixable, then I wouldn't have such as problem with them.
So stealing is OK? I wouldn't have a problem if it benefitted me. What if they find security flaws in your OS and report them to the companies so they can fix them? Would you still hate them so much?

Lets face it; if you want to write safe secure software, you had better learn how the 'Evil hackers' exploit your code.

The biggest problem with 'hacking' (in the most general meaning of the word) is the vilification by the media. There is nothing wrong with hacking or hacker unless they are doing it for ill means. Pleas try to get out of seeing the word Hacker and thinking criminal.
Do you want to be a hacker, or a cracker?


I love hackers, but wouldn't say the same about crackers :P
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Don't know why or where it stems from, but I always associate the term "hacking" with the act of horribly writing source code and the "hacker" being the instigator of such an event.

I tend to use the terms "cracking" and "cracker" for what most people seem to be referring to as hacking/hackers.
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I tend to use the term "script kiddie" for what most people seem to be referring to as hackers. I like to differentiate between those people use others tools to create malicious code for kicks without truly understanding the tools or the consequences of their abuse, and the people who create the tools knowing full well what they're doing (though arguably some black hats don't). >_>

EDIT: Typos.

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CodeMonkey wrote:
Under that dumb reasoning, I should hate all drivers because some of them do illegal things that put lives in danger.

Oh so not all hackers make viruses that go on innocent computers? Huh...I assumed that was the case but that might be due to the fact that I was raised to be in fear of them. (viruses)
CodeMonkey wrote:
So stealing is OK? I wouldn't have a problem if it benefitted me. What if they find security flaws in your OS and report them to the companies so they can fix them? Would you still hate them so much?

I wouldn't have said that if it wasn't for the fact that I hate the fact that DVDs are copyright protected, Especially since that's not the case with CDs. (because it makes no sense to me)

P.S. I put the word "steal" in quotes because the files in a way are being copied. It's not a cut and paste deal.
science man wrote:
Oh so not all hackers make viruses that go on innocent computers?

Not at all. Who the media refer to as "hackers" are actually referred to as "crackers". Hackers are usually benign, although some hackers are also crackers (usually just when it's fun).
@OP: What is it you want to learn how to hack? An earlier post you made makes me think you want to learn about VNC\RDP and to me that has nothing to do with hacking.

If I point you at a set of tools then would you know how to use them?
- http://www.metasploit.com/
- http://www.fastandeasyhacking.com/
- http://insecure.org/
- http://www.ollydbg.de/
- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb842062.aspx
- http://www.nirsoft.net/

Or will they even be useful for what you are trying to accomplish? What specifically is it that you are trying to learn? If you just want general knowledge about "hacking" then I'll have to side with Framework because that as a topic is too large to covered in a single thread, it would require it's own site.
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I wouldn't know how to work hacking tools because I've never actually tried hacking. The most I've ever done was play around with html using google chromes inspect element. Screwing with webpages is easy enough, but it's not hacking by any stretch. What, more specifically, I want to learn is how to get on other people's computers (messing with friends and fixing computers, not financial information or anything like that) and how to get past the login requirements of websites such as facebook and youtube (same reasons as before). From there I would probably have enough of an understanding as to truly decide what I want to know about hacking.

@science man
I think your beliefs are common misconceptions of hackers. I read some of that one website atropos posted, and that kind of clears up some of those misconceptions as well as categorizes the people that everyone automatically puts under the "Hacker" class.
As of right now a google search of "Facebook Exploits" comes back with over 14 MILLION results. Surely you can find what you want to know somewhere in there. Also if you're brave enough, this is a popular topic on /b/. As for specifically accessing the site without a log in I'd like to point out that this violates the sites Terms of Use and so it is illegal. To me Facebook causes nothing but pain in peoples lives so I largely try to avoid it. With the stock having recently gone public only to drop below it's IPO I suggest you avoid this as well. They'll be cracking down on this kind of thing soon if they believe that crucifying some kid will bring their stock prices back up.

As for YouTube, I'm curious what is there to "hack" on YouTube?
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The only 'exploit' of youtube that really makes sense is botting your subscription count up, and that's only if you're a youtube partner that doesn't mind losing his status (and possibly facing legal consequences for fraud, although I have no idea what the actual legal implications are).
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Hacking/Cracking... sensible stuff. Look into testing paradigms, they'll help you find holes in security measures faster, since hacking or cracking is more of finding a bug and exploiting it.

Using published cracker tools = crap, you won't get any sensible information with those and most likely get caught.

Using published hacker tools is good, at least you will know your software (if that's what you're testing) levels up to the daily security standards. Also keep in mind that threats to security don't come only from within your code, they may come from low network security, sticky nifty viruses and even the OS itself.

Hacking and cracking are two point of views for the same thing. One is the "light side" and the other is the "dark side", respectively. You can make a whole career with hacking, it's a vast domain. Also you need to have a sharp mind for this sort of things.
To be honest, youtube was really only for want of an example. I would say myspace, but nobody even cares about that anymore, and I want nothing to do with twitter. By accessing a site without a login, I mean accessing somebody else's account without having to create some password generator to test every possible password until I get the correct password.
@xander337 LOL WIN

A test site with a bunch of intentional vulnerabilities (you can go wild on that one without fearing repercussions). I spotted opportunities for easy SQL injection and XSS, maybe there's more.


List of known XSS vulnerabilities. Note that you can try these out for yourself without problems if you're doing client sided XSS, as long as you don't abuse it.
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hanst99 wrote:

ah!! Can't figure out how jsmith added his username. Well if that's the jsmith of this forum.
True, there's a jsmith registered...

I figured you could just do an insert into... but I don't know the name of the table, and I always get an 'Characters found after SQL statement' error if I just try something.

Well, now mister John Smith apparently gets a free gold visa. Go figure.
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Well if your so worry about get a virus try to setup a linux on a laptop or something make sure you have good support like dell.:)

I hope this information helps.:)
Their login page is vulnerable to SQL injection.
I'm suprised it hasn't been mentioned yet, but assembler is extremely use to those who want to 'hack'. In an earlier post someone mentioned you needed to know the computer better than you know yourself. Assembly will do this. Assembly is the first programming language, if you will. It is line by line, direct instructions to the processor. Any good book on Assembler will spend more than half the book telling how the 8086 stores information and ram and super specifics on how it all works. Then it starts telling you how to manipulate all of this.

The extra reason why Assembler is so useful, is that with the right tools, you can convert a .exe into a fairly accurate assembler source code. With this you can edit that source code and re-assemble it into a slightly modified version of the original .exe. The problem with this is there is almost no contemporary documentation.

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